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due to mature subject matter, viewer direction is advised. there's only one way out of here. i'm going to leave here in a body bag. >> there's wa no way to get out of here. i figured i had nothing to lose. so i'd escape any chance i got. >> i have a 14-year-old son. almost 7-year-old daughter. means everything to me. can't wait to get home. i just don't want to let them down ever again.
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they call it short-timer's disease. all you want to do is go home. nothing is okay. nothing is all right. everybody around you gets on your nerves. you just want to go. my daughter's birthday is next month. so it would mean the world to me
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if i could get home for her birthday. got a minute? >> yeah. >> i am hoping i can get the wheels of justice to turn and get something done. >> what can i do for you? >> a lot. i have been submitted for two lump sums. one for 30 for education and one for 60 for work. they got submitted a week of the 20th. and my -- i know that usually they have to wait for committee and the normal process, but i'm hoping to get my paperwork pushed through as soon as possible. if they do, it's possible i could get out the 3rd of july. the reason i'm doing this is my daughter's birthday is next month. i'm really trying my best to get out before her birthday. i haven't been there for one of her birthdays. >> i cannot promise you -- >> i know. >> -- it will get pushed through because we don't do that. otherwise we would always be pushing through. that's what happens at the end of everybody's sentence at level two. you know how that works. otherwise you are scheduled to get out in august. correct? >> yes.
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i was talking to -- >> okay. because you won't go to committee until i get the paperwork, the referral from education, and then once i get that, then we can set you up for committees. i can find out. if i can find it today, i will look for you and have you sign it. >> okay. that's all i can ask for. i understand everything's chaotic. thanks. >> all right. >> it's frustrating because it just takes people doing paperwork and signing and putting it through. sometimes it can take up to four months. if that's the case, all the classes and everything i took will basically be pointless. except for educating me, of course. they give you incentive programs to do good and get out. you want to take advantage of them. it doesn't always work out like you think it will. hopefully it works out. i expected it not to but i'm hoping it does. for my kids' sake i have to try. if i have to bug them and they get tired of me and start yelling at me, so be it, you know. this is my life. i always thought i was a good dad until this happened.
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a good dad doesn't leave their kids, you know. >> what's your plans when you see them? >> just hold them. >> hold them and never let them go. i just don't want to let them down ever again. >> over at the level 5 facility, another father reunites with his son inside pnm. >> been in prison since -- off and on since '82. this time i have been in since 2002. >> why? >> drugs. >> i guess we both got caught up in drugs and we're both here. >> what kind of drugs? using? selling? what?
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>> both. i look at him. it is like looking at myself. two, three months after he was born, i got locked up. when i got out, you know, he was already grown. you know what i mean? i would still go and try to explain to him that i love him. >> just go see me. at my grandma's. stay an hour or two and leave. >> i feel hurt. i feel like it is my fault that he's here. >> i wouldn't say that. i would say he has never raised me or spent more than two, three days with me at a time. i don't see how he can influence me in anything. >> i would like to see us get a lot more closer to where we can really sit down and talk. >> today officers agree to allow father and son inmates, robert jr. and robert sr., to meet in a supervised setting and we can see how years apart have taken a toll on this relationship. >> reason i wasn't there for you amigo, you already know, being locked up all this time. i think if i would have stayed
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around, things might have been different. you know how it is. that's the way i was brought up. just like you, you know what i mean? and getting into the drugs, that's what really brought me down. if i would have did it different, i know you wouldn't be here and i wouldn't be here, you know what i mean? it's kind of hard to see what with both of us here. you know what i mean? almost on the same charges and everything. if i could, i would change everything. you know what i mean? it is kind of weird talking to you now, because we haven't really sat down to talk in, what, since you were, what, 11, was i think the last time? it's been like 20-some years. that's kind of -- kind of weird, you know.
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but it feels good talking to you. you know what i mean? >> yeah. never too late. >> yeah. never too late. >> i know it is hard for him to even talk to me about it. trying to put myself in his position. but i don't have kids. i understand the stuff he went through with the drugs. because i went through the same thing. i think a lot of the times he thinks that i don't like him. it ain't like that. >> what are your hopes? i guess. do you have any hopes as far as your relationship with your father? >> just to get to know him and let the past go. before i didn't like him but i didn't even know him. i guess i had something against him for not being there or something. i guess now i just got to let it go, you know. next, a look inside one of the deadliest prison riots in u.s. history that forced drastic changes at pnm. >> guys being stabbed and heads cut off. >> it was a madhouse, it really was.
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the penitentiary of new mexico holds some of the most violent offenders in the state. in our four months there, we saw some of the violence firsthand. but in 1980, pnm was site of one of the deadliest u.s. prison riots where inmates killed 33 of their own. >> jumped off february. almost by accident. big thing i couldn't get out of my head is they actually did it. we actually took the place over. >> james whittington survived the riot to return to the old main facility to show our producers what he witnessed. >> 27 years ago when i got up out of here. i didn't think i would ever see
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it again. leadership of the inmates decided hey, you know, this control center is takable. there was a huge industrial fire extinguisher that used to sit on one of these walls on hooks. three individuals lifted that industrial fire extinguisher off and set work on this window right here. the window began to give in. all three of these windows were taken out. >> once they broke that, they had access to the entire facility. they had full control. >> this is where it all turned bad after they busted up and got their hands on the dope. >> there's different kinds of psychotic drugs and whatever. and everybody was taking them, just went crazy. >> it was a madhouse, it really was. >> guys being stabbed, heads cut off. pipes going through their heads, you know.
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unimaginable things. you couldn't even think of, you know. >> one of the inmates came down from the dormitory areas. and he had on his belt, tied to his side, the human head of a black man. this individual proceeded to take this head and gripped this head by his hair and he went over to that young guard that was crying, and he ordered that guard to kiss that head. and the inmates recorded in cellblock four never had a prayer. >> cell block four was the pc, protective custody unit. >> the rapists, you know, the child molesters, the snitches. >> i was told that the inmates in this -- on this side were actually flashing their lights sos, morse code. looking for the outside to come in and help them. >> you can hear the yelling and screaming and, you know, people yelling for help.
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>> inmates, i heard, were tied up on these railings and thrown over and hung. some were just tossed off from mainly the third tier, the tier above us. this black mark is actually the outline of a body of an inmate used to the remainder of the torch on. i think his name was perry. he had a lot of enemies in population. that outline there on the floor is permanently there. it will not come up. >> some of the groups that were holding the officers hostage were attacked by other groups of inmates. the hostages were taken from them, dressed in inmate clothes, slipped out of the prison and subsequently, those prisoners that did that got pardons. >> after a 36-hour stand-off, exhausted, hungry and freezing, inmates surrendered to the national guard. >> when it finally was over, we came in with the national guard, the state police. and we rushed in and first thing
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that i had encountered when i walked in by the control center, a body right there under water. that i tripped over. and i could still see his face. >> i was in wyoming when the riot happened. we was watching on tv and everything, seeing all the guys in the yard. and then that's when they told me that i was lucky to get out. they would have killed you in the riot. he's in pc now, cellblock four. i heard he was tortured with a set lien forge. a seteline torch. >> two weeks after they transferred me back to new mexico. the gym was still burning. i was put in cellblock two, you know. national guard was still feeding meals and stuff like that. that's when i learned they said, we just notified your parents, you're dead, you know? i said, i'm not dead, not yet.
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but one of the national guard, he said look, he said write a short note to your parents. you have to keep it short and everything. i will take it out and mail it. and that's what i did. i wrote my mom. let her know i was still okay. >> years after the riot, having been transferred out of and back into pnm, jimmy kinslow escaped from the newly built level six facility. >> shortly after i arrived, i i was approached through some friends that i had met, would i be interested in escaping with was approached through some friends that i had met, would i be interested in escaping wit was approached through some friends that i had met, would i be interested in escaping with them. so young, facing so much time, never the possibility of getting out, i said, sure. i'm ready. let's go. what can i do to help? >> this is the x-pod. this is where the individual
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masterminded the whole situation, the escape. >> get a gun smuggled in. .22 magnum pistol. >> this is the janitor's closet where they had the weapon stored or hidden, whoever brought it in. the inmates came in here, pretending he was getting cleaning supplies and instead he picked up a handgun. >> i was still in my cell. we seen him through the door, walk the guard over. so we knew he was going down. >> he had the officer at gunpoint. and as you can see up to the control sent from here. >> the control officer was arguing with him. i found out later he thought it
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was a toy gun or something. and we discussed before, you know, we didn't want to shoot nobody or anything unless it was absolutely necessary. so he just shot him in the shoulder, let him know it was real. he let the rest of us out. we went out the roof escape hatch and then used the alarm wires to help us stay balanced on the wall partition that went out to the sallyport. >> what happened is we didn't have the razor wire here. the gate wasn't here. inmates were able to walk this wall right here. over the fence and go down. >> make a mad sprint across the parking lot, and hopefully we wouldn't be shot at from the tower. >> during that summer months, we would assign an officer to the tower until 8:00. there was nobody in the towers, which gave them the opportunity to escape. and now the tower is manned 24 hours a day. >> after they took the road blocks down, we separated and went our own ways. i did what i had to do. take hostages, get me through the police checkpoint. let them go, alive, after i got through.
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and we met back up in california. >> what i didn't know is they were already under fbi surveillance when i got there. the guy jumped out. he had a shotgun. pulled my gun. if i didn't see all them guys in black from behind -- i looked up, i was looking at about ten submachine guns. well, might have to re-evaluate this, you know. so i laid the gun down and got down. >> jimmy has only been back at pnm for a few days, after being away nearly two decades, and he's already butting heads with staff. >> hoop going who's going to handle it? >> the thing i'm saying is no one is supposed to touch it. >> you need to write it on paper. i can't help you. he can. you know what i mean? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. in most prison systems sex offenders have to be kept in protective custody units for their own security. but in this prison, they are
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trying a program that allows sex offenders to live in a dormitory setting with other general population inmates. >> it is called cru which stands for community reintegration unit but commonly known as a sex offender unit. >> i'm 35 years old. i'm in prison for having molested a family member when she was between the ages of 8 and 12. and at first, you know, just between and you me. at the end it was pretty much, you know what? i don't care if you want to stop or not. i need this. i don't know how to stop. >> community reintegration unit is based on cognitive behavior therapy. there is pretreatment, intensive treatment, and prerelease treatment. during their intensive treatment is when they actually have to admit their crime, and they work on their issues. >> i think it's helped a lot. it's helped a hell of a lot.
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i now have a lot more tools to deal with issues that still affect me, a lot of my issues from back then don't affect me anymore. i'm not saying that they are gone. but i know how to deal with them now. >> the reason for the sex offender program is such a high profile issue, and, quite frankly, the other reason is that sex offenders are going to get out of prison anyway. so we -- we are doing our best to rehabilitate them. because it is relatively new, we don't have statistics as far as recidivism rate, but we do know that we're giving them the tools to survive without re-offending out in society. >> it is liberating. i mean, it is like a weight off my shoulders. i'm not hiding anymore. i found out that i'm not the only one. >> historically in all prison settings sex offenders are low man on the totem pole, so to speak. inmates can't tolerate sex offenders. they really don't even like living in the same prison with them.
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>> you hear all the stories about this happens to sex offenders, you know, stabbings, beatings, rape. that's still a very fresh memory also. so i was scared. >> today alex's worries are focused not on his safety in prison, but about his re-entry commission about his release, which is just months away. >> re-entry committee is pretty much where i meet with all the department heads. mental health, security, education. they go over all of the things that -- the classes and programs i have taken while i have been in here. and give me any suggestions about what they think would be helpful for me when i leave. >> alex is here. sexual contact with a minor. criminal contact with a minor. he's serving 18 years, incarcerated since 2000. no recommendations by jns. he attend inpatient/outpatient sex offender treatment. since his incarceration, six misconduct reports. all minor.
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basically possession of contraband items. >> what did you have? >> lighter, tobacco. one time i got caught with pornography. >> okay. you admitted to a drinking problem. what drugs besides alcohol do you use? >> i've experimented with methamphetamine, cocaine, marijuana. >> not a member of any gangs? >> no. >> you've taken fiber-optic classes, a copper-based class, intro to telecommunications. you've done quite a bit. what kind of work history do you have? i know you have prior military service. what kind of other work do you have? >> i've worked in the telecommunications field as a cable puller and installer. i worked in cabinet and door shops. carpentry. pretty much anything that's labor-intensive, i've done. i use heavy equipment. >> my recommendation is that you continue classes when you get out. i imagine you want to get a degree.
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>> yes. >> that's my recommendation for you. >> your last job, how long did you have it? >> seven months. >> where was that? >> because i got arrested. >> this is your first term in new mexico? >> yes. and my last. >> basic conditions of parole, no drugs, no weapons, no alcohol. no liquor establishments. are you familiar with what your requirements are as a sex offender? >> pretty much. as far as the registration, where i can live. how close to schools, parks, stuff like that, i'm pretty up to date on that. >> okay. you have ten days to register after you're released. it's different in albuquerque than in las vegas. when you go in to the sheriff's department, ask them how often you have to report. i know in some counties it is 60 days, some 90 days and some it's every year. okay. you will be on gps. it's a requirement. okay? and as soon as we have an
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approval, we'll schedule you for the next month's parole board. >> all right. i volunteered for every class i can take, and i'm hoping that this last few months i can kind of relax and get prepared mentally for getting out. still ahead, an inmate transfers to pnm after attacking an officer at another prison. >> he ended up getting hurt pretty bad, i guess. so, at our company, we pay about the same, even though i'm a great driver, and he's... not so much. well, for a driver like you, i would recommend our new snapshot discount. this little baby keeps track of your great driving habits, so you can save money. [sighs] amazing. it's like an extra bonus savings. [ cackling ] he's my ride home. how much can the snapshot discount save you? call or click today.
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i'm milissa rehberger. here'sed what happening. jury deliberations wrapped up half an hour ago in the casey anthony trial. and the crew of shuttle "atlantis" arrived in kennedy space center for nasa's latest shuttle mission. four astronauts will bring supplies to the senate space station after liftoff this friday. back to our program. due to mature subject
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matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ oh how i've waited for so long ♪ >> let them go! sergeant sandoval has been employed at pnm since 1975. from the riot in 1980 to kinslow's 1987 escape, he's seen it all. and he's no stranger to life-and-death situations. >> we're transferring inmates to
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texas to make room because we are so overcrowded. he walked into the office. the inmate had his hands in his pockets. he had his head down and started talking about, you know, he didn't want to go to texas. if he went to texas, that he was going to hurt somebody. when he said that, the lieutenant was sitting right here next to him, female. i looked at her. i told her get out. just get out. i didn't say it loud. he didn't hear it. she stormed out, locked the door. i'm locked in there with him. and then he pulled out the knife. the officers were trying to rush him, but the door was locked. i had the keys. he didn't know that. so i told the officers just back up. i stood in the corner. i'm just waiting for him to make his move. finally i told him, you know what, it's not worth it. you're not going to get nothing out of this. best thing to do is throw the weapon. they are going rush in and beat me up. nobody is going to hurt you. just do what i tell you.
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i said, put it right here next to my feet. and i stepped on it. i said i want you to lie on the floor, put your hands on your back, face down, cross your legs. i will open the door, two officers cuffed him, and they took him out. >> unfortunately things didn't go as smoothly for an officer at another new mexico prison. >> we're getting jacob travis in. he's an inmate that just assaulted an officer. broke the officer's nose. had several bite marks all over him. he did a pretty good job on the officer. this guy's going to be a three-man supervisor. he's going to be in your unit in d-11 until further notice. we need to use caution. as soon as we open the doors and talk to the inmate and feel him out. see if she's still angry. be careful. >> how is he acting?
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>> fine, no problem. >> he's a high-profile case from reading his file. has a lot of problems with outside gangs and inside gangs. there's a lot of concern because a lot of the gang members that he -- the gang he testified against, they are here. so we're going to have to be on our toes once they found out he's here, and keep a close eye on our movement in and out of the unit with him, and make sure he has no contact with any other inmates. >> he's an inmate from central correctional, apa. he assaulted a staff member over there. the officer was escorting him out of his cell with him restrained in the front. the inmate advised the officer that he provided soap inside the cell. he went back in the cell, and the inmate closed door behind him. pulled the officer in. the inmate closed the door and assaulted the officer. >> this jacob has quite an extensive history. make sure the staff are aware the propensity for this guy to carry out violent acts like that.
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we need to make sure medical does a thorough check on this individual because the walls have closed in on this guy, and he's a little psychologically challenged right now. he was here for quite a bit of time. went to central because of his psychological issues. so it appears he's still very unstable. you're going to have to determine this individual's state of mind and see where he's at. is he still hostile, is he still wanting to fight? make sure we don't have a further incident. >> inmate jacob chavez agrees to talk to our crew and tell his version of the story. >> all i remember is grabbing him and telling him, no disrespect or something like that. and then he said -- i don't remember what he said. i just started -- i started to let him have it, punching, kicking, everything. i let him have it. he ended up being hurt pretty bad, i guess. basically the officer challenged me to a fight. i said, open the door. you know what i mean?
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they opened the door. he entered my cell without me being handcuffed. you know? what i was told, if somebody ever goes in your cell like that and you're not handcuffed, you have a right to protect yourself. especially if you know he is in there to cause you harm. doing everything in their power to make life miserable for me. it's already happening and throwing me in the cell. tell me i will be like that for 90 days. >> what cell is this that i'm seeing you in now and why are you here? >> this is a suicidal cell. >> can you tell me why it is better for you to be here than back there in one of the cells? >> because back there, i got to listen to everybody, you know, laughing and joking. watching their tvs and listening to their radios while i'm sitting in the cell with nothing. you know what i mean? the same thing i got in here is the same thing i have over here, you know what i mean? it ain't no different. except over here, i get a little more attention, you know? >> are you suicidal? >> no. >> what is your mental health
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situation? >> you mean am i taking medication and stuff? yeah, i'm taking medication. >> for what? >> for anxiety. i'm supposed to be on other stuff, too, for depression and stuff like that, too, but i refuse to take it all. you know what i mean? >> why? >> for the simple fact it slows me down. i don't think it works. and i get paranoid. sometimes it is not even reality. it's like, am i still alive, am i here? can anybody see me? you know what i mean? next, haley won't make his daughter's birthday party. and he might not even get out on time. >> any other counties you may have a traffic violation? >> nothing that hasn't been paid. nothing helped me beat arthritis pain.
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jimmy kinslow just recently transferred back to pnm from another prison but he has yet to receive all of his belongings. >> i will open it up. let them see what's in there so they can see it all, you know, visual inspection. >> all right. >> i appreciate they don't touch it. my bag was blessed by my medicine man in oklahoma before it was sent to me. >> okay. >> native american belief is you use sacred herbs for your spirit guides and spirit health. make your prayers be heard in the spirit world is to carry it on the herbs. given to us by the creator. without it you can't do the rituals, ceremonies and stuff like that. can't do the chants. it sanctifies everything. the medicine bag has been especially blessed by the elder and everything. >> the warden understood it was religious material and thought it might be a bible and didn't understand it was native american religious material. and so i guess he wants it gone through first.
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i just called the warden now. he doesn't have a problem with you getting it. >> i didn't want all of them. all i wanted was my medicine bag. i got the approval for it. >> okay. >> i need the medicine bag, cedar and herbs i need to do my prayers. a small leather pouch. >> okay. this is what the captain told me just now. it's that, he will take you over there first thing in the morning, but he can't get to it until then. >> i went over there and said right there -- sat right there. it was on the cart. >> they -- >> no. officer wouldn't let me have it. he said i don't think you are indian, you know. >> okay. all right. well, i don't see an issue with it. but -- i did call the warden. the warden said okay. >> i just don't see the problem with being able to say prayers, you know. >> yeah. me either. me either.
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maybe i can talk to the manager and, you know, he would have time to have somebody walk you over there. >> if you walk me over there, i'll spread it out. i'll let the officer look at it. >> okay. all right. let me see what i can do. no promises. >> i appreciate it. >> i'll still try. >> just two minutes. i'll be in and out. >> i'll try. okay. all right. >> for me personally, that's the only way i have found just to even survive in prison. it's become so important. it's just a part of what i rediscovered. a lot of it is a coping mechanism. because you go through all the trauma, you know, of killing innocent people and stuff like that. it's like the prayer tithe offerings you make. each prayer tithe, you make that with the individual prayer to your specific victim and everything. that prayer is sent to the spirit world and it goes directly to your victim, asking them for forgiveness, stuff like that.
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that's important. >> i have a question for you. kinslow's religious articles. his native articles. they won't give them to him today. >> why? >> they are saying he needs to go through it and you need to decide what he can and can't have. but it is all sitting there in a small pouch. >> do you want me to double check? >> yes. could you do that, please? because he-- he's been here since tuesday and has been asking for it every day. if we could get it to him, it would be a good thing. okay. thanks. >> what i need you to do is inmate kinslow, tell him to give me a written request. as soon as possible. address it to me. requesting his religious items.
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what i will do is i will look at it and see if i can get it through. tell him i will do my very best to get it today. but if not, i will definitely address it on monday. here's a copy. you can give this to him to show him what he is allowed. all right. >> kinslow. i'm going to give you this. it's what you're allowed to have as far as religious medallions and stuff like that. the manager wants you to write a letter to him stating what you want. and he said he would try to do his best to get it to you by the end of the day. >> they won't take me over and let me get it? who is going to handle it? the thing i'm saying is no one is supposed to touch it. to touch it without my permission is a sacrilege.
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it defames it. >> i understand that. that's why i'm telling you to put it down on the paper. so he knows that, because he wants it all in written form. if i go back and tell them -- >> the thing of the matter is it is right there in the property. if they take me over, i can pull it out and let them visually inspect it. >> i understand. you need to write it on paper for him. do you know what i mean? write it out and i will be back in a little while. i will take it to him. >> in less than 24 hours, kinslow hopes to have his religious items returned. but over in level two, haley french hopes he will be getting back his freedom. >> i'm waiting to see what the caseworker will tell me about paroling out of here tomorrow at noon, hopefully. hopefully. i'll believe it when i'm walking out the door. until then i'm anxiously waiting. >> hey, bonita. this is jeanine rodriguez.
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i'm calling about inmate haley french. d.o.b. 1/10/1971. >> unfortunately, i missed my daughter's birthday. but better late than never, i figure. what i plan on doing is going home and getting a great big box, wrapping it up, telling her -- having my dad tell her i -- she got a late birthday present, and when she opens it up -- here i am. >> do you need to see me again? >> hey, did you have time to get that stuff filled out? checkout list? >> yes. >> i did a warrant check, pending charges. is there any other counties you may have a traffic violation or anything? >> i've never been arrested before in my life. >> traffic violation? >> nothing. >> speeding? >> nothing that hasn't been paid. >> for whatever reason, if i'm not here, your i.d. is in your envelope with your gratuity. okay. >> excellent. can i ask how much it is? >> it is for a total of $260.29. >> okay. >> sound right? >> yes. thank you.
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>> see you tomorrow. >> all right. >> receiving the green light for his release from prison, haley makes what he hopes is his last prison phone call to his family. >> hey, babe. what are you doing? they did all my -- everything came back good. i'm good to go. everything should be good. well, just double-check. make sure there are socks, boxers. yeah, yeah. all the necessities. i love you. take care. all right, bye. >> i'm excited. i'm ready. looking forward to hanging out with my kids and seeing my little girl. >> what's your countdown right now? >> i don't even want to count. it's like 20 hours, something like that. not soon enough. i can't wait. i can't wait for this.
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what are you going to do in the meantime? we're going to wait. that's it. that's all there is to it. mean. you're going to wait. that's it. that's all there is to it. i won't sleep, i don't think. i worked out, i'm going to go and work out again tonight, try and get as tired as possible so i can try and sleep. i haven't been sleeping the past week, week and a half. too nervous about it. >> still ahead on home free and kinslow is back in touch with his heritage. >> have you so little if prison, the spiritual vastly important.
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>> they said i would be able to go to my personal property today and go over the native american and ian stuff that i would be
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able to have m my cell. that's what we are doing now. medicine bag. all i wanted was the small medicine bag. i got a medicine prayer wheel. and one feather. and one that goes in the medicine bag. >> okay. this is it right here, right? >> yeah. >> lay it out. there's the spirit bundle. this is what holds your, like when i went through the puberty rights and everything, you go through the fasting and prayers and everything when you're 12 and you find your guardian spirit. mine was revealed to me after fasting it was the silver fox. so i keep the tail of the silver fox as part of when i do my rituals and everything because that is my guiding spirit. spirit helper. >> this will be the medicine bag. this is the one you keep for
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your personal religious items. you have a small amounts of different herbs that you use, youse tobacco, bare root, sage, things like that, you use in your prayer circle. here is white sage. you use this to purify your living space and everything. you don't have to burn this to get the purifying results out of it. i want to take that. >> here's the eagle feather. i was worried about that. this is the american bald eagle, where you get out of the conservecy in colorado. they use them when they die and you have to apply for it. this is like a little medicine wheel prayer symbol. this is carved out of elk bone. i wasn't sure whether the feather would cancel out this wbt medallion. >> obviously, you if you are
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going to wear a religious article, one at a time. i don't have a problem with that in the cell, the feather and you taking that, i think we'll be fine. >> all right. >> because you're not going to wear the feather. >> no. >> so i don't see an issue. >> have you so little in prison an everything that the spiritual becomes vastly important. i would definitely say during my early years that they done the right thing by locking me up. i was too messed up. i really was. and i hope that when i do die, that people can look back and say, well, the person that he did become in his later years would bear no resemblance whatsoever to the person he was when he was 18, 19, 20. i wish i could get out, but you know, i totally understand why no one would ever even ask or even float the idea of me ever getting out.
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>> back in level ii, the day haley french has been anxiously awaiting for more than six years has finally arrived. >> i don't know what time it is, but this is the day i get the held out of here. i deserved to do time for what i done. it is wrong. you can't go beating people up. if i had it to do over again, i would have bought a new tv and stereo and all of the stuff stolen from my kids, i would have bought it again. in seven years time, i could have bought it how many times. i can't get the seven years back, they're gone. i can't see my daughter learn how to walk or say her first words. that's gone, you know. that's priceless.
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>> here you go, sir. >> go ahead and go change. >> how does it feel? >> it feels good. >> this is for your gratuity. $262.29. that is what your ticket is made out to. if you will sign right here for me. you want to report to your po from here to there. just get it out of the way. it will only take like five, ten minutes, then go about your day. when you leave, i let them know that you are leaving. i call them or e-mail them and let them know you're on your way. >> red lobster, on his dollar. >> okay. >> that's it. >> go home. >> good luck. don't come back now. take care.
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>> we won't keep the light on for you. >> no way, man. >> have a good day. >> good-bye. thank you. >> everybody's got a lesson to learn one way or another. i guess this was mine. yeah, nice to be able to finally touch it. get in.